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03-07-2007, 01:42 | #1 |
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Get rid of your G25 shift "click" for good!
Now I have to give you a little background before we move forward. A lot of people have been complaining about the "clicking" noise they hear when the G25 shifter goes into any gear. And furthermore, people here have been saying that the little metal ball that is on the end of the spring is causing that noise when it finds it's way into the next hole or "gear".
Now, here's where people are wrong. They say that it's the ball slapping into it's hole that is causing the clicking noise. So I decided to try a little experiment just to see if in fact it was actually that ball causing it. It just seemed to me it was an awfully small bearing to be making all that noise. First, I disassembled the shifter assembly and removed the two metal plates along with the shifting rod, which comes out all together. Once that was out I removed the left plate, which gives access to the shifter ball bearing and spring. I replaced the metal ball bearing with a tiny rubber ball that I had laying around. Assembled it back together somewhat. Enough to where I could still see the ball and spring in action. And to my surprise, the click was still there. Now how could that rubber ball be making that clicking noise when hitting metal? It can't be. It's rubber. It isn't making noise when slamming into it's hole. After some careful testing and a lot of studying, I found out that it was actually the spring itself causing the "click". Now, before you flame me, I wanted to see if my thoughts were correct. So I removed the spring completely and shoved a ton of foam into the spring hole, so that the ball would rest on top of the foam, but still have enough pressure to cause the METAL ball bearing to slam itself into place when shifting into your next gear. Well.......guess what.......the clicking noise had vanished. SO, after about 2 solid hours of testing and thinking, I am happy to say that you CAN in fact get rid of your "click" noise when shifting the G25 shifter. What you will need to do: 1) Get some strong foam material. Make sure the foam springs back into shape when you let go, otherwise it could wear out too fast on you. 2)Disassemble the G25 shifter assembly and remove the two metal plates (6 screws holding it down). 3) Remove left side plate, and be sure to catch the metal ball first 4) Remove the spring out of it's hole. Now before you throw it away, there is a better solution then just throwing foam into the hole by itself. 5) You'll want to put the spring back into the hole, and then put as much foam as you feel is needed on top of the spring. This way the spring will put a constant load on the foam on top so that the foam doesn't wear out over time. 6) place the ball bearing on top of the foam that should be sticking out of the hole a little<-----not essential but I found the shifter to be more "notchy" when it's done this way. 7) re-assemble the two plates and put the assembly back into its position inside the whole shifter assembly and screw everything back together. 8) I added this step for further noise reduction. When the two plates are assembled back together, move the shifter towards you and move it down all the way. Don't worry about the ball bearing, it won't fall out. Place a piece of duct tape (just what I used) over the 3 holes in the left side plate. This way ensures that the metal bearing will not slam onto the metal plate when shifting. With the added pressure from the foam being on top of the spring, it may cause a slight noise when re-assembled. So this step ensures that this will not happen. Also make sure to use a couple layers of duct tape so that the first layer doesn't wear out and then you'll have to go back in there. Just put the shifter assembly back together and there ya go. I hope this helps all those people that HATE that clicking noise when shifting. I know I sure did!! Last edited by Semus; 03-07-2007 at 02:05. |
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Sorry none. I can take a few I suppose but then I'd have to disassemble the entire thing again. I am hoping that I can get away with just typing what you need to do. If you still would like pics, give me a couple days. I tried to be as descriptive as possible. I guess in a few days I can post some pics. Just dont have it apart any longer. |
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Just wanted to see how much of a pain in the *** it would be. I will get a G25 in a week from now and I was thinking of getting the act labs shifter (hoping for for it to feel a little better and no noise either.. ) because I had one(G25) back in January and I hated the shifter... fun but damn noise and doesent feel real at all.
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A little history, when the shifter was first designed a metal based lubricant was used to prolong the life of the latch plates. This resulted in a stone quiet mechanism. It was decided that a "click" would help users in finding gears and it also seemed like a good thing from a function point of view. The click was created by making the hole diameter where the detent ball moves slightly larger (take a close look at your part and you will see that the hole narrows down around the spring after about 6 mm). Anyway, the noise is the detent ball hitting the side of the plastic hole as it enters the detent hole in the side plate. You could add a sleeve around the ball to make the gap small and the noise will go away also with the current spring. I suspect that your foam is acting as a damper to eliminate the noise. |
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I don't want to turn this into a "which shifter is better thread" so I will keep this brief. The ActLabs shifter has plates that are more of an exotic car type. You have to take it out of gear, move it, then put it into a higher gear. Saw a video on youtube about it. But don't get me wrong, the AL shifter is nice. I have one on the way, and I will decide which is better for myself. It's all about what YOU like, not what everyone says you should like. Anyhow, the pics are coming. It is somewhat of a pain to do it but WELL worth the effort. |
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03-07-2007, 04:55 | #7 |
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What do you mean by take it out of gear, move it and put it into higher gear... means i gotta move it to check its out of gear then put it in the higher gear? lol that could cost some performance... especially when you need fast shifts...
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You took my post a little wrong, or maybe I didn't explain it well enough. When you are shifting with the AL shifter, it might take a little longer because the shifter itself has to come out of the lower gear, then the shifter has to be physically moved over a little bit before entering the next up gear. Now granted, you will not be stopping and then looking at the shifter, then go into another gear. Thats not what I meant. You can shift it normally, but it might take just a tad longer because you have to find the next gear on the shift plate. and the shift plate openings are not that wide. Do you understand now? You should never have to stop, look down, then shift. Thats just insane. |
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Well perhaps you did, but my eyes and ears tell me that after doing what I did, the noise vanished. So which one of us is correct? You? Me? In all honesty, it's probably both. The metal ball without foam could hit the plastic sleeve, and click. But a metal ball with foam in the hole above the spring doesn't click. So I would have to say that both of our conclusions are correct. EDIT: pointless Last edited by Semus; 03-07-2007 at 05:43. |
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Also Semus, I think you are taking the comments far too personally. He was giving background info and commenting on a part of the product he designed. I didn't see anything in his first 2 posts that suggested he was trying to be factious. Sure ppl would agree, that you tried to offer a solution just as he also just expanded on it, given his knowledge of this product. Last edited by WickedShot; 03-07-2007 at 05:44. |
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That's why it's edited. It's pointless to get upset about it. He designed it, great. I came up with a solution to stop the click, great. |
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Yeah I gotcha, I just didn't want you to get the wrong idea on what I meant. |
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After using the Act-Labs and G25 shifters, it seems to me that the G25 shifter has a much shorter travel (good). I used to frequently miss a shift by hitting the point of the Act-Labs gate with the stick which doesn't happen with the G25.
The G25 feel is much lighter (not so good) and I like the click personally. With tongue in cheek, I'd suggest that if it sounds too loud, turn up the engine volume I use headphones most of the time, though.
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I know this may sounds silly to many people but I thought that I would share what I have done with my setup in regards to the clicking.
I race with headphones - as I am sure many people do - but I have added something that gives a little extra to the feel. I have a multi-coloured light that has sound imput from either a sound source or from the room. I set the sensitivty very high and when I am racing with my headphones when I shift the noise flashes the light - so I know I am in gear. Also if my wheel jumps or shakes the light flashes as well. Gives me a sense of emergency when shifting and taking turns and gives a secondary input of what is going on.
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I have the actlabs shifter, and I made a few modifications to the shift plates so that it is very hard to miss a gear when shifting. All you really have to do is cut the plate ends down a bit at a slight angle so that if you do hit the plate end, it might find its way in anyhow. Helps to cut the plate ends down because the stock position has them coming out way too far. Looks more like an exotic car shifter plate then a race shifter. |
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Great! And good pics!
I'm going to try this! |
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The ball that hits the gate is not what makes the clicking sound. It is the ball hitting the internal wall inside the housing of the spring/ball. I have made some pic showing how to fix the clicking sound and how the click works. I spent all last night doing the no click mod with foam and it did not work. So I investigated for hours in till I found out what make the clicking sound. I did this mod with only a silicon tube and a little bit of Teflon tape(one used for pluming) to keep ball in tube firm. This prevents the ball from smashing into the wall of the chamber holding the spring and ball in place. When i did the foam no click mod between the ball and spring it did nothing.
I will be posting more pictures in the "G25 shifter mod" forum on how to do my mod with more detail pictures on how to open your G25 shifter (for others that are scared to open and mess around in there). |
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more pics on my mod here post# 16 http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=299371
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26-11-2007, 11:01 | #24 |
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Hey I received my second G25 (rfactor box) and the factory isnt same as the first time ...
no clicking sound in my Shifter, new improvement ??? |
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i hope i get the clicking sound in the one i just ordered i've been in many sports car exotic's all those and all of them had some sort of clicking sound not as much as the g25 for most but still i'm a fan of the clicking im sure one day il get annoyed by it and try out this mod so TY!!! but until then il just leave it with a great job and best discription ever
And one last thing if the click is made by the ball hitting the shaft ( lol that sounds so wrong ) how come it still made the noise when he was using a rubber ball? |
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