Need for speed Shift, G25 deadzone problem

[Fly666]

Hello, I'm trying to get need for speed shift working propperly.
I have a problem with the steering: It feels like a deadzone of about 200 degrees before the ingame wheel turns, I've been trying different in game settings for about 2 hours now. I don't have any problem in GTR evo.
Can anyone help me, please?

[Mahjik]

This was on another forum. The user has a G25 using 900 degrees:

[Com8no2]

exact same problem here, G25 in 900deg mode (as i use it in all my sims) - Shift ingame has a huge deadzone in the steering

no matter what is set in the controller options (tried the pictures settings, did not help)

[howard motz]

Originally Posted by Fly666

Hello, I'm trying to get need for speed shift working propperly.
I have a problem white the steering: It feels like a deadzone of about 200 degrees before the ingame wheel turns, I've been trying diffrent in game settings for about 2 hours now. I don't have any problem in GTR evo.
Can anyone help me, please?

I have a G25. I don't have any problems. Did you select (G25) in the controller Options? In the "Wingman" profiler, I set my degree of turn about 650, 100 over all effects, 20 on centering spring, O dampening. Works fantastic. Only thing I changed in the game Options was the amount of FF. 6-7 seems right to me. I have arthritis. Ha.

[Fly666]

Tried settings from picture: deadzone is smaller, but still way to big (about 45 degrees left from center, 45 degrees right from center) before there is any steering movement in game.
I also have a problem with setting steering sensitivity and acceleration sensitivity always being the same. If i change one of the 2, the other one follows. (in game setting: g25 white different pedals)

I think there is a problem with the option "turning lock": at 100% i have the biggest deadzone, at 30% the smallest (still to big) but it won't go lower than 30%.

[howard motz]

Originally Posted by Fly666

Tried settings from picture: deadzone is smaller, but still way to big (about 45 degrees left from center, 45 degrees right from center) before there is any steering movement in game.
I also have a problem white setting steering sensitivity and acceleration sensitivity always being the same. If i change one of the 2, the other one follows. (in game setting: g25 white different pedals)

I think there is a problem white the option "turning lock": at 100% i have the biggest deadzone, at 30% the smallest (still to big) but it won't go lower than 30%.

You might want to try a fresh install. Do you have the latest "wingman" drivers? I had them running when I installed. Every thing worked good immediately. Just doing a little tweaking for the perfect feel.

[Niels_at_home]

also, most likely, having axis sensitivities at 100% is very non linear, very sensitive. Steering would have to be 50% to be linear. Deadzones, well i hope they can be get rid off, but its not really meant to be played by simracers in 'sim' mode of course, you may ask for too much..

[Mahjik]

Some other settings:

http://forum.racedepartment.com/need...-settings.html

[Fly666]

Removed VPP pedals, connected original G25 pedals
Fresh install, wingman(5.04) running during install.
Still big deadzone... :-(
I also found out, in the deadzone, there is no force feedback.

[skazz]

I'm running 5.01 here, selected G25 separate pedals profile, set my settings pretty much identical to the screenshot (they are logical really). No deadzone, decent FFB.

I was getting strange FFB when I turned off "vibration", so I turned it back on. Not sure what it does.

[Damien Smith]

Is there a 'Steering Lock' setting anywhere in the game? If not, then 900degs probably won't be playable.

[wims]

You can tweak it in the car setup, but I'm not sure if its tweakable with all the cars, and if you need some upgrades to be able to tweak it

[DanielVE]

I have the same huge dead zone problem.
Im thinking maybe is something to do with the separeted pedals

Im using g25 and CST pedals.

One thing i noticed, is that the game dont appear to diferenciate controllers...
in GT evo, it sees my g25 as controler 1, and the cst pedals as 2.

In shift, its all controller 1 and the X axis of the wheel is X axis of the acelerator pedal, so the sensitivities and dead zones are the same on the setup, cant change them separate

[Fly666]

IT'S WORKING!!! :-))) (but don't quit the game!!!)

After a couple of hours searching, i found a solution! But it isn't very logic to me.

I'm using Logitech G25 with VPP pedals. So i used preset 6 (G25 seperated pedals) This gives me big deadzone. swaped VPP pedals for Saitek pro flight rudder (for testing). Same problem.
Now changed preset to 5 (G25 combined pedals) and didn't change any setting, axis or button. (G25 pedals are destroyed to build a handbrake). YES. NO DEADZONE. But now my handbrake is the throttle and no brake or clutch (swapped pots with ressistors, so no movable axis) Now I started changing all axis and buttons -> Problem returned, big deadzone in steering. Reset all settings to default. Changed throttle axis only. test. OK Changed Brake axis. test. OK. Changed 2 buttons to axis and button(handbrake and nos). test. DEADZONE returns. Reset all settings. Changed 1 axis, test, ok, next axis, test, ok, and so on... Everything OK!!!

For testing purpose: reset settings to default, changed 2 axis, test, Deadzone returns...

So for me (and for 2 friends) the solution: Change 1 setting, go drive, change next setting, go drive, and so on... Deadzone doesn't return...


Setting deadzones is still a small problem as DanielVE said. If I set 2 controllers, the game may tell me the same axis (steering right=X+ and throttle= X+) I can't change deadzone or sensetivities seperated, but my steering is ok now.



I have quit the game to eat, restarted the game... Deadzone returned. Used the solution i just described. Everything ok, untill i quit game... So would have to do this every time you run the game... :-(

I hope this workaround for the problem will help others... (It will take a lot of time...)

[Markoj]

Same problem here , big deadzone with G25 and CST pedals.

[DanielVE]

Originally Posted by Fly666

IT'S WORKING!!! :-))) (but don't quit the game!!!)

After a couple of hours searching, i found a solution! But it isn't very logic to me.

I'm using Logitech G25 with VPP pedals. So i used preset 6 (G25 seperated pedals) This gives me big deadzone. swaped VPP pedals for Saitek pro flight rudder (for testing). Same problem.
Now changed preset to 5 (G25 combined pedals) and didn't change any setting, axis or button. (G25 pedals are destroyed to build a handbrake). YES. NO DEADZONE. But now my handbrake is the throttle and no brake or clutch (swapped pots with ressistors, so no movable axis) Now I started changing all axis and buttons -> Problem returned, big deadzone in steering. Reset all settings to default. Changed throttle axis only. test. OK Changed Brake axis. test. OK. Changed 2 buttons to axis and button(handbrake and nos). test. DEADZONE returns. Reset all settings. Changed 1 axis, test, ok, next axis, test, ok, and so on... Everything OK!!!

For testing purpose: reset settings to default, changed 2 axis, test, Deadzone returns...

So for me (and for 2 friends) the solution: Change 1 setting, go drive, change next setting, go drive, and so on... Deadzone doesn't return...


Setting deadzones is still a small problem as DanielVE said. If I set 2 controllers, the game may tell me the same axis (steering right=X+ and throttle= X+) I can't change deadzone or sensetivities seperated, but my steering is ok now.



I have quit the game to eat, restarted the game... Deadzone returned. Used the solution i just described. Everything ok, untill i quit game... So would have to do this every time you run the game... :-(

I hope this workaround for the problem will help others... (It will take a lot of time...)

Same here fly... it worked for me, but have to do this every time i start the game.. huge pain in the ***

[pgrande]

Originally Posted by DanielVE

Same here fly... it worked for me, but have to do this every time i start the game.. huge pain in the ***

Same *** problem, I want my money back!!!!!!!!!! I also use separate Pedals...


Tone down the language please

[DanielVE]

Originally Posted by pgrande

Same problem, I want my money back!!!!!!!!!! I also use separate Pedals...

The sad part is that i actually liked the game, but thats no way ill keep configuring everytime i start the game...
i hope the devs or some one figure a permanent fix

[pgrande]

Originally Posted by DanielVE

The sad part is that i actually liked the game, but thats no way ill keep configuring everytime i start the game...
i hope the devs or some one figure a permanent fix

Looks like the problem is when you have multiple devices and axis... it doesn't recognize correctly the axis, in my case the clutch looks to be the same as the wheel, but the only problem is that it duplicates the sensibility and deadzone values but in game clutch works properly, just the wheel has a tremendous deadzone...

[WhiteDog]

Remember to use the preset available for G25.

If the menus screw up, then use this tool to calibrate your G25 and everything should work fine - http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm
There's a 32 and 64-bit version of the Clear Calibration Utility, to match your OS.

ps. If you use 900 degrees of steering from the profiler, then you need to amp up the sensitivity in-game. I use around 80-85 for the sensitivity and 90 for the speed sensitivity.

[pgrande]

Originally Posted by WhiteDog

Remember to use the preset available for G25.

If the menus screw up, then use this tool to calibrate your G25 and everything should work fine - http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm
There's a 32 and 64-bit version of the Clear Calibration Utility, to match your OS.

ps. If you use 900 degrees of steering from the profiler, then you need to amp up the sensitivity in-game. I use around 80-85 for the sensitivity and 90 for the speed sensitivity.

Many thanks, I have all the tools already of course, is not a calibration issue!! ist's a BUG!!! DXTweak2 is reporting a perfect calibration anyway...

[Markoj]

I solved my problem with mapping again steering axis in controls menu.
Then I had a problem with gas pedal , mapped it again , and it works.

[pgrande]

Originally Posted by Markoj

I solved my problem with mapping again steering axis in controls menu.
Then I had a problem with gas pedal , mapped it again , and it works.

Does it work when you get out of the game and get in again, or you have to do all the process again???

[wims]

Originally Posted by WhiteDog

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ps. If you use 900 degrees of steering from the profiler, then you need to amp up the sensitivity in-game. I use around 80-85 for the sensitivity and 90 for the speed sensitivity.

This will cause non linear steering. The proper way of doing this is to adjust the steering lock in the car tune screen ingame, not increasing sensitivity. There really is no such thing as sensitivity in racing games. It should be renamed linearity, as that is what you are adjusting. I was going to do a few illustrations so its easier to visualize what happens, unfortunately im so damn lazy so i havent gotten around to do it yet. Maybe tonight

[Markoj]

Originally Posted by pgrande

Does it work when you get out of the game and get in again, or you have to do all the process again???

No , you have to adjust it again